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Romeo and Juliet took place at the Theatre in London in 1597. For 497 years, it has filled theaters and inspired filmmakers and writers. I can name two great successes based on Romeo and Juliet: West Side Story (1961, directed by Jerome Robbins and Robert Wise, remade in 2021) and Love Story (1970, directed by Arthur Hiller)
Everyone knows how it ends: it didn't shake its success. Endowed with great beauty, the plot has logic and coherence as basic principles, the characters are consistent, with solid characteristics, poetry has a place of honor. So, the problem with KMLM is not the SE: it is the betrayal of logic and coherence, it is the suppression of the consistency and characteristics of the characters. I read, I watched Romeo and Juliet in the theater, in the cinema, COUNTLESS times. As for KMLM, "half" a time would have been enough to not watch it again. It attacks our intelligence and abuses the tolerance we have with a plot that began spectacularly and from the middle to the end turned into a cheap Mexican melodrama.
Yeah, I feel the show just didn’t know when to quit. The revenge plot wrapped up nicely by episode 23, but then the writers decided to introduce a whole new storyline. Suddenly, we were dealing with Xiyan issues instead of Yan issues. And Mei Lin’s death saga was something else. First, she dies, then MJH goes on a tragic journey with her corpse, reminiscent of “Weekend at Bernie’s.” Just when you think it’s over, she comes back to life only to die again, shortly after, for real. And the fumbling of the antidote to save her was just too much.
SnapDragon:Yeah, I feel the show just didn’t know when to quit. The revenge plot wrapped up nicely by episode 23, but then the writers decided to introduce a whole new storyline. Suddenly, we were dealing with Xiyan issues instead of Yan issues. And Mei Lin’s death saga was something else. First, she dies, then MJH goes on a tragic journey with her corpse, reminiscent of “Weekend at Bernie’s.” Just when you think it’s over, she comes back to life only to die again, shortly after, for real. And the fumbling of the antidote to save her was just too much.
Hi, Snap Dragon! I read your excellent analysis in the comments (from 4 hours ago) and I was the first to give it a heart: accurate, fair, perfect, exactly like your comment here. I commented during the week that all kinds of suffering were imposed on good people, villains died quickly. Writers killed off beloved characters like Big Guy (Wei). We suffer the many deaths of ML, transformed into a sick and empty woman. Very funny when you say she died and revived "many times" only to actually die: wonderful critical description! MJH lacks virility: he cries too much, for a prince/general he is weak and has no pulse. The scenes with ML's supposed corpse are unpleasant and implausible, not even the physician notices that the "body" does not stiffen or stink. LM attacks and shames our status as women. Writers condemned those who should be heroes, we would all be avenged, but no!, they vandalized ethics and morals and crowned the villains with love and quick deaths. We don't have a moral to the story, we have an immoral story. We are at a crossroads: between the enchantment and tears, at the beginning, and the laughter that we now have with what was supposed to be a drama and turned into an "Opera Buffa". Thanks a lot for your excellent comment. I would like to invite you to read the article: The Presence of Arts in The Double. I sign the text and Cho Na, MDL writer, signs the wonderful visual design and the competent preliminary edition.
https://mydramalist.com/article/the-presence-of-arts-in-the-double
If you guys were going to rewrite this show, what would you have done differently?
Warning: Major Content Spoiler.
Here's what I would have done:
I would have taken out the whole Xiyan arc. I would have kept Jinghe's crazy act up until the hunting event and that's when I'd start to soften him up but not drop it completely. Additionally, I would not have shown viewers that he was Mei Lin's master till around the hunting episodes or around ep 8/10. I would have added more clues etc than just the metal badges for viewers. And I think I would have had the 'assassination' attempt/jail scene occur later as well or I may have completely taken it out. Also, the crown prince's death would have gone differently. Have you guys seen the rise of the phoenixes? Something similar to that would have been nicer/made more sense instead of the sweet moment in jail he was given. Also, LM, the general, would have been made smarter and would not have had any loveline. I also would have done away with a loveline between the princess and emperor as it was not necessary and took away screentime. There would be more action scenes.
So here's an outline:
Episodes 1 - 3: Setting the scene/introduction to main characters. (We don't find out who Mei Lin's master is yet or that the Crown Prince is the 'big bad' yet).
Episodes 4 - 6: Mei's first attempt at killing Jinghe and failing, then consequences for that. So instead of the crown prince putting her in jail for the assassination attempt at the banquet, she ends up in a jail via Jinghe for 'interrogation' and eventually he lets her go due to 'insufficient' evidence. Mei Lin's master gives her the poison after she's released for failing.
Episodes 6 - 8: Clues that everything isn't as it seems that Mei Lin finds as she snoops around, and zoom in's to important clues as well as seeing more into how Jinghe interactions with the organization he created, except we don't actually see his face, his figure and if we hear his voice, it's different enough from the voice we normally hear so that we can't guess right away. Clues about the crown prince's involvement and something that makes more sense as motivation for him to do the things he did. Start to see poison effects.
Episodes 9-11: Mei Lin's master revealed to viewers, big bad aka the Crown Prince is revealed to viewers, hunting/banquet for princess, and another assassination attempt this time by Crown Prince. Mei is forced to help Jinghe for them to survive. So I'd probably do this part similar to what was done in the novel but more fleshed out.
Episodes 12 - 13: Then near death trying to survive, cp hunts Jinghe. They find safe haven. Jinghe tells Mei Lin about herbs that might be able to help poison effects (similar to what was in the novel).
Episodes 13 - 14: Safe haven, time to recuperate and plan. Crown Prince also planning. Towards the end, they head back with more clues and evidence that had been gathered by Jinghe's organization while he was gone in addition to what they already had.
Episode 15 - 16: Compiling what they have so far to build a case against Crown Prince. About to gear up to present evidence to emperor/court but then Mei Lin discovers Jinghe's identity resulting in reignited resentment but still focused on revenge. She also asks him for the cure, he pretends to not know or he tells her she'll get it after revenge is completed.
Episode 17 - 18: Back on track, presentation of evidence, crown prince rebellion similar to what was in the rise of the phoenixes.
Episode 18 - 19: Face-off between Jinghe's group (including Mei Lin) and Crown Prince.
Episode 19 - 20: Crown Prince death by sword or arrows, either way, the death isn't a sweet one. Jinghe's reputation somewhat resorted but not completely because again he's actually morally grey in the setup and we get to see this in the previous episodes. He gives Mei Lin the cure.
Here are two different options: If we want to keep the corpse stuff then,
option 1:
Episode 21 - 25: Mei Lin decides to head back to QZ to help clean things up now that revenge is done and she's 'cured'. Jinghe gets sent there as well similar to what was in the show. We also still get the confrontation between Jinghe and his dad but maybe more intense. We find out the antidote didn't work and atp there's been enough buildup to justify Jinghe having feelings for Mei Lin that he didn't realize he had. Cue crazy corpse stuff. Cue them finding the flower, her taking the medicine, and waking up. She comes outside, they smile at each other/he hugs her, the end.
If we don't want to keep the corpse stuff then,
option 2:
Episodes 21 - 23. Mei Lin decides to head back to QZ to help clean things up now that revenge is done and she's cured. Jinghe gets sent there as well similar to what was in the show. We also still get the confrontation between Jinghe and his dad but maybe more intense. They bump into each other and smile/pick up where they left off. The end.
This isn't the best outline but it makes more sense than what we were given and I feel like it would have kept viewers engaged longer. Especially if, we as viewers are being engaged by looking for clues. For instance, when my journey to you was airing, part of what kept everyone watching was looking for clues/trying to figure out who was behind everything and what their motives might have been. That was also what was missing from this show in addition to the things you guys mentioned and is why a lot of people dropped after a couple of episodes.
I think I would have been ok if:
After her fake death, the maids and the big guy decide not to body-snatch her. Instead, they tell MJH everything, and he gets to be there when she wakes up. This way, they don’t have to be apart. Their separation after her fake death annoyed me so much, I couldn't understand at all why she was hiding from him.
Instead of going to war, MJH and ML head to the mountains where the special flower grows. MJH takes care of ML and becomes her blood slave (she goes along with it because he volunteered himself, it would relieve some of his guilt and he feels like he owes it to her), while he and his bodyguard keep looking for the flower or more seeds. They eventually find some seeds.
Then the war comes into play, and MJH has to go. While he’s away, ML looks after the flower. The war ends, and MJH comes back injured but just in time to see the flower bloom. ML takes the antidote, and the story wraps up with them taking care of each other, leaving the past behind.
All in all, some of the arcs really dragged on and seemed pointless, like the Emperor and Concubine Yan, and Xiyan arc. Her fake death would have been more meaningful if the writers would have kept the novel ending and she had a chance to live. Making her die for real, shortly after MJH already with through all the grief and suffering with the fake death, was over the top.
@Regina.
The revenge drama died on episode 5 ( I am not sure but ) when MRJH found his mother's hidden message. After that it was a quest for justice. MRJH was no more the "Master of Shadow Works", I did not mind seeing him crying because he was no more The "Master of Shadow Works". Yes, Mei Lin corpse was still flexible after 6 days, so I though he knew she was not dead but apparantly he was convinced of the contrary by the doctor. Which surprised me.
I wouldn't say there is no morals in this story. To me to morals is : Pay attention to what you do, actions come with consequences.
As for the peaceful death of CP Murong Xuan Lie, I disliked it as well but I recognize that the unfairness comes with his position. Rich people have their way out. They don't pay the price like commoners.
I learned that at some point of time Donald trump owed money to a bank. Instead of suing him for it, they lend him 1 million dollar ??? !!! Who does that.
To me this is what writers wanted to say in my opinion. The show has it flaws but I still think they tried to make the characters imperfect and I heard they cut scenes (especially YQ's scenes), so this should have impacted the way we understand the whole drama.
@SnapDragon.
Yes I was pissed when they snatched the corpse too. And I did not like the separation either. Maybe the writers wanted to coincide with the novel. Because MRJH was carrying someone else's rotten corpse and tried to feed this corpse as well. But at that point of time Mei Lin was in coma.
@fany
"she ends up in a jail via Jinghe for 'interrogation' and eventually he lets her go due to 'insufficient' evidence." => that one made me laugh.
Release for infufficient evidence after the killing attempt of a Prince, with all the banquet attendants as witnesses and the hairpin still plugged in his chest.
You gave me a good laugh. You should change that plot point.
I really appreciate these thoroughly detailed comments about the problems of this drama. I was very disappointed that a show I was so much looking forward to turned out to be like this.
It makes me wonder if the writers have heard or seen these critical discussions about their work, and if it will make a difference for future shows. I'm not really encouraged that we'll get better writing. But what does everyone else think? Do you guys think these endings (in particular) reflect the appetites of a Chinese audience or is it just bad plotting and writing?
unbeliebubble:@fany
"she ends up in a jail via Jinghe for 'interrogation' and eventually he lets her go due to 'insufficient' evidence." => that one made me laugh.
Release for infufficient evidence after the killing attempt a Prince, with all the banquet attendants as witnesses and the hairpin still plugged in his chest.
You gave me good laugh. You should change that plot point.
Lmao, I changed some things before submitting my 'outline' to this forum and forgot to change how the attempt was made and how many witnesses were there. It's so funny now that you point that out. I meant that the assassination attempt would take place, but not at the banquet. It would be similar to what she tried to do in episode 1 but instead of letting her go, she ends up in jail for interrogation. The banquet for the princess would come later or just be taken out/offscreen. See ep 9 - 11 comments.
Olive4213:I really appreciate these thoroughly detailed comments about the problems of this drama. I was very disappointed that a show I was so much looking forward to turned out to be like this.
It makes me wonder if the writers have heard or seen these critical discussions about their work, and if it will make a difference for future shows. I'm not really encouraged that we'll get better writing. But what does everyone else think? Do you guys think these endings (in particular) reflect the appetites of a Chinese audience or is it just bad plotting and writing?
No, the Chinese audience themselves have been complaining all over their social media as well. The reason why there are so many BE/SE in cdramas is because the scriptwriters, producers, and actors prefer them.
@fancy
fancy:No, the Chinese audience themselves have been complaining all over their social media as well. The reason why there are so many BE/SE in cdramas is because the scriptwriters, producers, and actors prefer them.
Do you think these mid-progress show derails and bad endings have anything to do with complying with government requirements? (I think this may be far fetched, but I'm trying to also figure out why writers, producers, actors are deaf to what the audience tell them they want. How can they be successful if they piss off their audience?)
As soon as the Crown Prince died and as the Xiyan Prince went back, the foreshadowing of the war should have started. Instead of fully expending the run time on unrequited love of people that have spent 20 episodes: falling in love, dating and being married; they should have used that time to lay the ground work and better flesh out for the war. Rather than it being a side plot to the "Mei Lin is STILL dying" story arc, the upcoming war should have been the main final arc. (May be it was but I was skipping and speed watching, so I may have missed it).
I think the Xiyan/Qinzhou arc was necessary if it was just about them going to war because the characters were military/ assassin type, so a reason to see them in their element is always good. Also everyone was traumatized by Qinzhou and needed to go back to heal. That was a solid plot but they spent it just showing everyone mopping. They made me feel like such an unsympathetic person cause I was sick of everyone.
If the war, its build up, execution and fallout, was the focus, Concubine Yan's death would have been relevant, the Xiyan's king's mental health (immortality dream) would have been relevant, the hearts and minds of the Qinzhou people and the army would have been relevant. But they let everything play out randomly with no sense of stakes or purpose.
I appreciated Mei Lin dying, I would have been fine if she died even before they got married and lived some days together. Her "dying" was dragged on for far too long to not have that pay out.
Their love story was so dragged out and melodramatic, I have slight eye damage from rolling my eyes so much. I started this drama for some "toxic romance"; so against my own sense of disgust, I started missing the Crown Prince and General Yin??.
fancy:Lmao, I changed some things before submitting my 'outline' to this forum and forgot to change how the attempt was made and how many witnesses were there. It's so funny now that you point that out. I meant that the assassination attempt would take place, but not at the banquet. It would be similar to what she tried to do in episode 1 but instead of letting her go, she ends up in jail for interrogation. The banquet for the princess would come later or just be taken out/offscreen. See ep 9 - 11 comments.
Hi, dear friend Unbeliebubble. Thank you so much for always exchanging your insights with me. All points of view are welcome, I'll not laugh at the interpretations, as expressing ideas is, above all, exposing feelings that are in the heart. I don't intend to refute the interpretative questions you raise, because they are based on a personal vision that I respect, we can love whatever we want, even if it doesn't have the seal, the stamp of quality. It'll be more dynamic for our dialogue to address technical issues of building a narrative, with its arcs.
You say that the writer has the right to give his message: I haven't seen anyone contest this, the contestation takes place within the scope of the quality of the form of this message, in this case, the narrative and all its arcs.
You also said that the series imitates life: fortunately the world has rules, norms, laws that regulate conduct. But we are not talking about current times (you mention D.Trump), but about the Tang Dynasty (618-907 AD), a period that marks the creation of the Tang Code, still active in today's China. It was the apogee of the rigor of the law, even more so for the powerful who frequently betrayed the emperors. I open quotation marks:
"The Tang Code (Chinese: 唐律; pinyin: Tang lǜ) was a penal code that was established and used during the Tang Dynasty in China. Supplemented by civil statutes and regulations, it became the basis for later dynastic codes, not only in China, but in other parts of East Asia. The Code synthesized legalist and Confucian interpretations of law. Created in 624 CE and modified in 627 and 637 CE, it was promulgated in 652 CE with 502 articles in 12 sections and enriched with a commentary. (the Tánglǜ shūyì 唐律疏議) in 653. Considered one of the greatest achievements of traditional Chinese law, the Tang Code is also the oldest Chinese code to be transmitted to the present in its complete form."
As we can observe, we did not see the laws being applied to anyone, neither the poor nor the rich. The writers chose to manipulate facts in favor of the absurd, disproportionately punishing the righteous (rich and poor) and sending the message that crime pays (for rich and poor). If the world were like the world of KMLM, we would be a generalized anarchy, kinda Mad Max world.
What gives value to a work, whatever it may be? What made Molière and Victor Hugo reach our days as heralds of theater and literature? What makes Bach and Mozart still revered today? Why have Greek tragedies been alive for more than 2,000 years? There are aesthetic criteria combined with technical criteria that add value to a work, its historical importance, originality, its significance for society.
There are those who don't like Mozart, but that doesn't change his value to humanity. There are those who give KMLM a 10 and that also won't change its status as a series that had everything it needed to be a hit and sank into a mediocre narrative, abandoning sacred and consecrated technical criteria in works that make humanity proud. Below are some of these technical criteria:
1 Abuse of clichés (I'll mention just a few of the completely predictable facts):
●The repeated death of ML (and resurrections...)
●Use of incense/poisons for all types of narrative manipulation.
●Reappearance of LM as "savior of the homeland" (Two scenes. MJH's image becomes smaller, even though he was crucial in defeating CP and facing the final battle)
●YQ's appearance in the battle, giving him credit for the victory. MJH becomes secondary in this context.
●Forced deaths of beloved characters (Big Guy and Qing Yan)
2 Lack of internal coherence:
●KMLM left poorly developed situations along the way, circumstances that were poorly named and not clarified, and corrupted the texture of the text. The narrative is not believable, which is why it is not convincing. In the imitation of life or ultra-reality, the text is fragile, it did not resist the continuity of the arc, it died along the way. We don't know what MJH and ML's revenge plan was, hatched over 10 years.
3 Absence of character characteristics:
●Key characters were disfigured beyond recognition
●MJH, ML, LM and even the Emperor lost the strong, typical, particular features, which should consolidate their meaning and significance in the sequence of the narration. This was not a twist, but the deliberate "death" of the character in its original conception.
4 Circular writing:
●The narrative went in circles, nothing new or surprising was added, the series invested in unimportant situations/characters. We didn't see new actions being chained towards a climax, nor the peripety of events, the sequence that would allow a good closure, not necessarily a HE.
5 Forgotten Characters:
●Master of Shadow: so essential to the plot, as soon as he appeared, he disappeared.
●Consort Yin simply disappeared. Initially she had a role in the CP plot.
6 Regarding aspects that transformed the drama into a melodrama (in general, melodrama exaggerates everything, is sentimental, aims to bring tears and exacerbate emotions):
A-The fading of the virile characteristics of MJH, a warrior prince, hero of his kingdom, reaches its limit when it transforms him into a passionate teenager, a man with a fragile emotional state (embodying the Master of Shadow required coldness and vigor), he was subject to paralyzing depressions, MJH became excessively emotional to the point of having several crying spells. We are made to feel sorry for him, when we would like to feel proud.
B-The scenes with ML's supposed corpse are not convincing. You defend a realistic message, but a body doesn't stay like a puppet, it stiffens, releases fluids, starts to stink in 2 days. And no one suspects... It's an unpleasant scene, hard to believe and melodramatic to the extreme.
C-LM and CP in prison. The scene uses the classic image of La Pietà to create an aesthetic atmosphere with the clear objective of softening our sense of ethics and justice, involving us in an emotional trap: it is an aberration, an unreasonable scene of support and compassion towards a criminal.
I believe I have addressed the basic errors of KMLM in the light of technical and aesthetic criteria: it has lost value as a serious work, but can please as a mere distraction.
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