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omo-omo-omo

Please see post: https://mydramalist.com/profile/omo-omo-omo/feeds/3rdK9yu8
On my profile under the Reviews Tab, the sorting is messed up. When I use Sort By Helpful, it is not showing the correct order. Sharing a post as I could not share an image/screenshot here. 


Ideally it should be in descending order, i.e. the review having more #no of people found this helpful should be first and then others. (In my case Heartbeat Review should come before Money Heist, and this continues in other reviews as I scroll down in my profile: https://mydramalist.com/profile/omo-omo-omo/reviews)

Please guide with the solution. 

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Aoi Community Manager

I think there is a bug related to the episode count for "Money Heist." It appears that the number of episodes watched is incorrect or has been edited by the community. The calculation included "12 of 6 episodes seen," which seems to be part of the problem. The calculation algorithm currently has a "not helpful" weight, so the episodes may not always appear in the correct order.

To fix this, you would need to update the episodes seen in your reviews or wait for a bug fix.

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omo-omo-omo

Hi Aoi, Thanks for reviewing.

But this is not the only case. My other reviews are also random sorted and not as per the count of helpful votes. Please see this: https://ibb.co/BgpT0VP  Here the episode numbers are all correct.

 Yet Queen of Tears should be before Mask Girl, since 8 upvotes > 7 upvotes
And Marry My Husband should be above Queen of Tears and Mask Girl, with 11 upvotes.

Please see my profile - Reviews tab here: https://mydramalist.com/profile/omo-omo-omo/reviews?sort=helpful It is sorted by most helpful, but if you scroll down, the upvotes are random order, so in a way these are not sorted as the most helpful review, I am assuming.

Also - Money Heist, I have only marked the show as completed so it comes 6/6 but somehow the review is coming up as 12/6. I made the change and it is 6/6 episodes now but the problem remains - sorting is still not descending order. See here please: https://ibb.co/hDWrfxK

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Aoi Community Manager

This is correct. It is not random; it is sorted by most helpful with a "not helpful" weight. If a review has 10 helpful and 5 not helpful votes, then the "not helpful" weight would lower its ranking compared to a review with 8 helpful and 0 not helpful votes.


 omo-omo-omo:
Also - Money Heist, I have only marked the show as completed so it comes 6/6 but somehow the review is coming up as 12/6. I made the change and it is 6/6 episodes now but the problem remains

Changing the review may not trigger the score recalculation right away. It seems to have updated from my end.

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omo-omo-omo

Hi Aoi,
Just taking an example, assuming upvote is weight 1, and downvote is -1.

Review 1: 5 people upvote, -5 downvote, this is null (Avg: 0)
Review 2: 8 people upvote, -2 downvote, then up > down (Avg: 0.6)
Review 3: 2 people upvote, -8 downvote, then down > up (Avg: -0.6)

If we take the average:
Order should display: Review 2, Review 1, Review 3. (cause 0.6 > 0 > -0.6)

If we take the upvotes:
Order should display: Review 2, Review 1, Review 3. (cause 8>5>2)

Even with this, the sort should still display the reviews more or less the same? Or is it that the weight scores to upvote and downvotes are different? And if that is the case, is there any provision now or in future to make the downvotes visible to author of review? 

Asking this because personally I like to revisit and sort my reviews and see which have been helful. Currently it gives me NO idea - as the ones that have been helpful to people are up and down in the sorting list. So I cannot conclude which review's writing style has been useful to the audience and therefore finetune my writing...

Let me know :) 

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Aoi Community Manager

Sorry, we cannot release the math behind it, but we do plan to make the "not helpful" votes visible to the author. The weight of upvotes and downvotes depends on the total number of votes. 

For example, 10 upvotes and 0 downvotes are lower than 20 upvotes and 0 downvotes, but they are higher than 20 upvotes and 10 downvotes due to the higher weight of downvotes.

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TimiZero
 omo-omo-omo:
Review 1: 5 people upvote, -5 downvote, this is null (Avg: 0)
Review 2: 8 people upvote, -2 downvote, then up > down (Avg: 0.6)
Review 3: 2 people upvote, -8 downvote, then down > up (Avg: -0.6)

Actually your example is also giving the same result for Downvote sorting, i.e. R2>R1>R3

You also can view it as
R1: 5/10 people found this helpful
R2: 8/10 people found this helpful
R3: 2/10 people found this helpful
Because you use the same sample of 10, you can visually see that R2>R1>R3 without even doing the math.

In practical, the number of voters in MDL is unknown for every review, so until we can see the number of downvotes we really can't tell.

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omo-omo-omo

Thanks both!
Guess seeing the downvotes number will make it easier to kind of self-analyze then! Looking forward to when it becomes GA! 

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8392225
 Aoi:

Sorry, we cannot release the math behind it, but we do plan to make the "not helpful" votes visible to the author. The weight of upvotes and downvotes depends on the total number of votes. 

For example, 10 upvotes and 0 downvotes are lower than 20 upvotes and 0 downvotes, but they are higher than 20 upvotes and 10 downvotes due to the higher weight of downvotes.

To be honest, I do not wish to see the "not helpfuls" on my Reviews...

EDiT: But! Would appreciate to sort my Reviews by the EXACT NUMBER of helpfuls. The way it is, it's not quite exact sort, then I need to skip all the pages (with 0 helpfuls) to the end to see also the reviews on dropped/ongoing or sorted back for reasons unknown to me (maybe because of the not-helpfuls, but that's better not to know) despite those sometimes having a higher number of helpfuls than the review featuring on first page of my Reviews. I ALWAYS wanted just simple sort by the number of helpfuls and honestly I'm not interested in this sort it offers now, for some reasons behind.

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8392225

I noticed the Reviews sort is even bigger mess than before.

My Reviews, so-called sorted by "Most Helpful":

Page 1: First reviews has 4 helpfuls, second has 5 helpfuls (annoyed already), the next have 5 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 6 helpfuls (whaaat?), 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls.

Page 2: 3 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls.

Page 3: 4 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls.

Page 4: 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 5:  1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls.

Page 6:  2 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 6 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls.

Page 7:  1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls,  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 8:  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 9:  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 10:  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 11:  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 12: 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 13:  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls,  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls.

Page 14: 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 5 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls.

Page 15:  1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 16: 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 17: 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 3 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 18:  1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 19:  0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 20:  0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls,  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 21:  0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 2 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 22: 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 1 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

Page 23: 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls, 0 helpfuls.

I mean, come on............ Please? Can you make a simple descending sort from the most number of helpfuls? Is that SO hard? 

Can people understand my frustration, now?

I have to literally check each page and study it for number of helpfuls hidden among the 0s. To find out how many of my reviews got more than 0, also not easy. They're pretty much scattered around all over the place.

You NEED to incomporate your hidden math into it? I'll ask people, how many of them cares? If some of our reviews got not helpfuls, do we want to know? Can't you just place all the 0s at the back? I can tell you from experience I get hurt even with 0 helpfuls, especially if I put a lot of effort into that review, LOL. I don't need to see minus numbers. Do you?

Also, my most successful reviews are on Page 6, Page 14? Does it mean they got some not helpfuls? I would not mind not knowing that.

The default sorting of Reviews is what everyone sees when coming to my profile. I speak for myself, that I don't like the way it's presented and if I'm not alone, then please voice it because I am afraid that if "MDL staff intends to revamp this" like I read it won't be for the better. Just make it simple? Please?

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