AleksandraSucur:

latest eps and previews for the next prove you two were right, I've formed high expectations too early, I've expected more of political intrigue, but the show turned towards usual clichè, nonsensical misunderstanding, beauty contests etc., bleah. As danny_ang  said, they are targeting idol dramas audience. Agree with you about CSJ, I'm also curious what will happen to her, she is interesting and the actress is convincing in performing the character.
Btw, what is TLB, I must have missed that one...

I thought there were some holes I was trying to ignore but I didn't really expect it to embrace that many cliches... and I haven't even seen the beauty contest but yikes! I just didn't have much faith in the directing and writing team bc they are behind some dramas I really disliked. Pearl Girl is is still by far this director's best drama to date. He has made some dreadful stuff. 

The Long Ballad - it was Zhao Lusi and Liu Yuning's first collaboration it is also set in Tang dynasty and I suspect around the same period even. They were the second couple but many people liked them better than the main couple (Wu Lei and Dilraba). Lusi played a princess that grew a lot but she started out crying all the time omg I still cringe even to think of it now. 

 PeachBlossomGoddess:
I think if you are looking for something more substantive with better plot then for this year anyway that would be Strange Tales of Tang Dynasty 2. It was written by a well respected historian.  Heroes 2024

I've seen and enjoyed both dramas you've mentioned (I've enjoyed the first season as well, how could I have missed it?). Heroes were a total surprise, the three leading actors (+1, the antiquity merchant), the narrative structure, camera and directing were fantastic. I only didn't like japanese spy girls, their flatness somehow didn't fit into such an engaging plot and one of the most complex and bizarre hystorical setting. Having studied that period (if you remember our conversations), I've truly appreciated how they've shown the mess left after the decay of Qing and birth hardships for a republic, the remnants of old conflicting with the new, the gangs, warlords... everything packed in an exiciting treasure hunt. And fighting scenes were excellent, too.

Well, now I've checked the director, I've dropped everything he filmed till now in first eps, I think I've only watched Luoyang almost to the end because the first two thirds had that typical dark Tang vibe we both like, I remember I've liked the representation of Wu Zetian, as an older and fatter lady in white, devoted Buddhist, loose hair, no decorations... I found that quite original. As for the writers, I know there's a team of four or five, but MDL lists only one (Ma Sha Sha), I think I've only watched her General's Lady, a light costume romcom, I've dropped Wrong Carriage after seeing 2-3 eps, it was badly written and even worse performed, unwatchable. But she is not the lead writer of this Pearl Girl.

I've watched TLB (mostly for Wu Lei's braids, lol). It occurred to me that Lu YN's braids in TSOPG look a lot like those of Ashina Sun, but Wu Lei looked better with them, LYN is more type for official hats. I remember the second couple had more chemistry than Dilraba (I dislike her acting even more than Lusi's) and Wu Lei. That drama also started promising (Taizong massacre of his brother's family, battles against Göktürks, the latter battling among themselves too, remnants of Suis etc...) and dissapointing later on. 

 AleksandraSucur:
I've seen and enjoyed both dramas you've mentioned

Yes I remember you watched Heroes 2024. I was actually replying to @danny_ang but I was on my cell the quote function didn't work.

 For Pearl Girl, they may have had to involve the novelist somewhat since the novel is incomplete and they did get a historian to research the jewellery  business. Sadly  in the recent arc that the scriptwriters seem to have run amok.  Ma Shasha (who is not great) should be the main writer, the other 3 are unheard of with barely any drama credits to their names. But I think in the end the director is most important and this guy is just not the best. But at least he's not whipping his camera around like he did in Luoyang.

Yeah I agree, TLB was not that great. I just liked the Dumas style plot but the execution wasn't that good and I think Wu Lei was just too young and not credible paired up with Dilraba. She is lovely but I think she should just stick to modelling. 

 PeachBlossomGoddess:
Ma Shasha (who is not great) should be the main writer, the other 3 are unheard of with barely any drama credits to their names.

Frost Edelweiss opened a discussion with all the details relating to the drama. The chief writer is certain Fu Tian (her pen pseudonym and her real name is not the name of the author of the novel). I've googled that name https://www.qidian.com/book/3347615/ and (internet) English translation gives me various novels with only one adapted to a drama (The Romance of the Tang Dynasty, not present on MDL, probably it was never translated in English), she seems to be an expert for the Tang-era settings. You speak Mandarin, maybe you can find out more. For the rest, yes, I agree

 AleksandraSucur:

Frost Edelweiss opened a discussion with all the details relating to the drama. The chief writer is certain Fu Tian (her pen pseudonym and her real name is not the name of the author of the novel). I've googled that name https://www.qidian.com/book/3347615/ and (internet) English translation gives me various novels with only one adapted to a drama (The Romance of the Tang Dynasty, not present on MDL, probably it was never translated in English), she seems to be an expert for the Tang-era settings. You speak Mandarin, maybe you can find out more. For the rest, yes, I agree

For whatever reason, the original writer never completed the book. I am not sure why Youku didn't get him to finish writing it and hired Fu Tian, who is another writer to I guess finish it for the drama. Maybe its bc they wanted a female writer to write a female centric story. In any ccase,  Fu Tian is not a screenwriter. She is just a quite popular online novelist for Qidian which is one of China Literature's online novel sites. Reviews of her works are not amazing and she doesn't write anything I would have any interest in reading. And I am not surprised they hired real historians to help her out. She also has no previous screenwriting credits. 

ah, ok, tnx. It reminds me of saying: too many cooks spoil the broth

Thanks @Peach for this informative discussion threads, just discovered this.  I agreed that this story is not too bad but also not fantastic, if we want to pick, there are logic loop holes and how is this not idol drama. lol! however it gets me going. The Pearl and jewellery’s business trades were quite fascinating. 

The romance arc is typical, not so interesting now as it becomes the repetitive trope, we will all know they will end up together again;)

 Megumi-H:
The romance arc is typical, not so interesting now as it becomes the repetitive trope, we will all know they will end up together again;)

Lol no worries. I think there will be a lynch mob if they don't end up together again... now THAT would be interesting!!!

 Megumi-H:

Thanks @Peach for this informative discussion threads, just discovered this.  I agreed that this story is not too bad but also not fantastic, if we want to pick, there are logic loop holes and how is this not idol drama. lol! however it gets me going. The Pearl and jewellery’s business trades were quite fascinating. 

The romance arc is typical, not so interesting now as it becomes the repetitive trope, we will all know they will end up together again;)

Yeah, am really getting bored of the repetitive ‘get together then break up‘ without communication trope.  Do ALL screen writers think this makes good drama??

I am watching it for the small but interesting historical aspect of the drama plus I think ML is a decent actor.

 PeachBlossomGoddess:

Lol no worries. I think there will be a lynch mob if they don't end up together again... now THAT would be interesting!!!

I would rather he died. Since that is more realistic and dramatic

 Madoncdramas:

I would rather he died. Since that is more realistic and dramatic

Well his prospects are not looking too good unless there is some magic pearl that is gonna cure him. I don't mind either if they kill off characters and it makes sense. But him chugging that poisoned tea knowing it was poisoned was just plain retarded. I lost all respect for the character's intelligence at that moment. C'mon if they are gonna kill him off, make it worthwhile! Like blocking a poisoned arrow for Shrimpy or something!

 PeachBlossomGoddess:

Well his prospects are not looking too good unless there is some magic pearl that is gonna cure him. I don't mind either if they kill off characters and it makes sense. But him chugging that poisoned tea knowing it was poisoned was just plain retarded. I lost all respect for the character's intelligence at that moment. C'mon if they are gonna kill him off, make it worthwhile! Like blocking a poisoned arrow for Shrimpy or something!

???I know right!  i have also not been overly impressed with the jewellery being displayed so far.  There are some shows that have jaw dropping  clothes and accessories but this is bang ordinary.

I think emoji don’t work here.  The ??? Were laughter lol

 Madoncdramas:

???I know right!  i have also not been overly impressed with the jewellery being displayed so far.  There are some shows that have jaw dropping  clothes and accessories but this is bang ordinary.

Yeah I don't think the budget is that big but I do think some of it is also because its mostly about commoners so their costumes are less lavish. When I saw that most of the so called "rave reviews" were from academics, I knew we are in big trouble. I can tell the production did research the jewelry trade and the locations and probably even the designs meticulously but the way its presented is quite pedantic and that weighs on the storytelling. I am a geeky person I usually eat this stuff up but in this case I feel the writer is not skilled enough to weave the historical highlights in a more interesting way. 

 Madoncdramas:

I think emoji don’t work here.  The ??? Were laughter lol

 I also keep forgetting that about the emoji...